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Mick Coady: Okay, so without got courting gone you see the agenda here in so let's just get going, the course of good news is finally, this should be the last time we have to that we will talk about each BSS it was successfully decommissioned at five o'clock on Friday, the first, this was the final chart usage chart see pretty pretty significant drop thereafter there, towards the end.
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Mick Coady: When it was Bills group in hs G is continuing to do some some work as far as clean up and making sure everything shut down properly and earth on has purchased a couple of.
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Mick Coady: Thanks everybody in this group, for your cooperation and help getting things done it's been real quiet i'm pretty pleased with the pleasantly surprised actually that there.
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Mick Coady: We haven't received any complaints or you know, like hey i'm trying to log into hdfs and can't so apparently the word got out and I, we owe a lot of gratitude to deke balance and other day for their help and working with users over the last year or so on this.
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Mick Coady: So first campaign storage utilization of its continuing decline, as you can see we're.
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Mick Coady: scratch use is also in we're in real good shape holding pretty steady at about 80% utilization and so we're we're in good shape that way as well, I think.
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Mick Coady: We continue to get we being hpcb continue to get you know pretty frequent request for you know increase allocations are storage and I think we've been doing a pretty good job of being able to accommodate almost all those requests.
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Mick Coady: Okay, so on the story jog on camping storage augmentation.
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Mick Coady: You know you've been seeing a version of this slide here for several months now, and we just as we're stepping through each of the the key bullet points there.
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Mick Coady: he's going to be taking a look at the you not only to use each but.
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Mick Coady: trying to get his head around the schedule for retiring discs in the in the capacity that will be left over.
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Mick Coady: So by the by our next meeting in November, he expects that he'll have.
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Mick Coady: That information next month, if we know that ahead of time i'll send i'll send everyone here an email what let them know.
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Mick Coady: Okay, thanks yeah I figured that would be important for as whatever calculations or spreadsheets going to put in so as i've said before, as I mentioned last couple of meetings.
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Mick Coady: All right, with that I, things are moving along pretty quickly here, I just wanted to move on to miscellaneous business and open it up for a Roundtable group.
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Mick Coady: As I said, there's changes come into the group here i'm retiring at the end of January and.
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Mick Coady: da da will be taking over as lead for for this group.
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Mick Coady: And I think it will be do a good, well, I know i'll do a good job of perhaps infusing some new life for new blood some new directions and takes on on things so.
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Mick Coady: Anything i've talked about does anybody have any items that they want to bring up today any issues with campaign storage allocations or questions about direct show or stop.
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Matthias Rempel: And I just had the general question to the campaign storage numbers you showed you always shows the number of files and I just was wondering.
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Matthias Rempel: Is there somewhere and limit really how many files, you can manage and is there a concern at some points at the number of individual files might be too loud, since he always encouraged others may not have been on campaigns to any longer.
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Mick Coady: I think there's I think there's kind of general concern that about managing.
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Mick Coady: The data for on both the parts of the user community and for sizzle to provide good tools and information for that joey.
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Mick Coady: As you know, keep there's the access list in each directory on campaign storage that provides some pretty good information on that, but I think we can and will do.
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Mick Coady: So our limit is about 14,000,000,014 14 billion, you said.
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Matthias Rempel: is more or less I mean 40 agrees that once you have too many files it's hard to keep track of them, and unless it's not an option and.
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Matthias Rempel: Even if, in the future, we might have lost our file systems, I think, an Ls give them more travel something on the GPS right.
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Mick Coady: Only almost took the words out of my mouth there it is that you know we've learned, we should, I think many of us learned a pretty good lesson kind of a painful lesson with the decommissioning of hdfs about what happens when you have more files and you can.
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Mick Coady: So I think many of many users in fact we're pretty sure just copied everything they had because they didn't have the time or the resources to really.
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Mick Coady: You know that what the reports that joy generates I joey I think it's every month right or I mean every week.
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Davide Del Vento: sort of question is about the commissioning of old campaigns storage discs I know there is time but are the user supposed to do anything for that or we, I mean a chest.
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Davide Del Vento: Is will copy the files for them before the disk are gone, because you know the URL year plan was that a.
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Davide Del Vento: disk will go away with the data, and so it wasn't an actual scrapping, but it was just you know your data is on all media media goes away your data goes away now that we have moved away from that.
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Mick Coady: squirreled away right are saved for in order for that operation that Julie just described, to be able to happen so.
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Mick Coady: A communication campaign, you know to alert users, that this is coming, and to encourage people to clean up after themselves.
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Mick Coady: With a with a cap on the overall capacity we can't just keep as a community we can't just keep throwing all the data.
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Davide Del Vento: or by that I mean that can't happen by default by design because spss didn't have a quarter per user quarter, whereas campaign that so.
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Davide Del Vento: You know if a user is out of quarter wants more well, I mean they can try to convince their lab director to give more but still, you know the lab coat eyes fixed also so.
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Davide Del Vento: So that will still help, because if we need if you have less data to migrate, there will be great for everybody.
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Davide Del Vento: But still, if they don't because they need the data or they don't have the time and then I mean it's still doable and they just won't have the space for the new data that's as simple as that.
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Davide Del Vento: Okay, so you said the other comment I had is you know a few since i'm taking over this group slowly, if you have any comment on, you know how things are going, if you have any suggestions for agenda items or.
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Davide Del Vento: format or anything else that you'd like to change or not change send me an email or you know, whatever other message you prefer and.
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Mick Coady: I meant to say earlier, I i'm sure most if not all of you have had opportunity to pleasure to work with dominate in the past and know that he'll be incredibly well organized and efficient about running these meetings in the group so.
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Mick Coady: i'll with that can I won't go around the group just just writing, but again open it up ask if anybody has anything they want to add looks like garth does surprise, surprise.
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Garth D'Attilo: Okay man you gotta get your last barbs and all you can.
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Mick Coady: I do know.
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Garth D'Attilo: I you know, I just wanted to say thank you for all your efforts on our behalf it's been really a great working relationship.
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Garth D'Attilo: And you know it's a real loss to the organization I realize, you have to retire at some point, but just wanna let you know that everything you've done it's been really appreciated.
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Garth D'Attilo: Even though you probably just get like the bad feedback mostly like Amazon reviews hey it doesn't work.
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Garth D'Attilo: This is the worst thing ever, but it really has been a pleasure to work with you and best of luck with your your fishing or whatever you're going to be doing.
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Mick Coady: Thanks thanks for everything really appreciate it means a lot coming from you.
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Mick Coady: I think you all flatter me that I think i've thought through it, that carefully so far, but it'll be a combination of family grandkids fishing.
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prestop: Thanks, I guess, I was wondering um since we're moving away from the idea of having a lifetime to the data, like a built in lifetime.
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prestop: I was wonder if there would be any tools to help support data management, because I think I was kind of you know just assuming that you know that when the five years was up my data would age off and new data would come on.
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prestop: I think I i'm kind of in I don't want to say unique situation, but maybe an unusual situation where i'm dealing with.
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prestop: archiving of real time data feeds and I know a lot of people don't deal with that, but you know, like i'm trying to imagine a tool, you know we have a tool that we use called janitor that.
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prestop: And i'm wondering if if there would be any sort of if you guys are planning on any sort of.
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prestop: You know top down, support for a tool like that, or if it's something that I should consider.
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prestop: Writing you know what I what I envision is ideally i'd like something with with those sort of configurable levels where.
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prestop: Maybe I could also protect certain directory, so that you know if I have smaller amounts of data that I could let them, even if they're older, they would stick around and.
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prestop: You know, ideally, maybe when it ran every week, it would email me and say hey you're getting close to your limit.
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prestop: i'm going to delete all of these files next week, you know, and then I would I would be aware that these are the files that are going away.
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prestop: But I wouldn't have to it would be something that kind of ran weekly or something, but I so that I wouldn't have to keep an eye on things and be you know and keep in figure out.
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prestop: What the oldest things are and how close I am to my quota and things like that so i'm just wondering if you guys have thought about any sort of support from sort of your level for tools that would help with data management like that.
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Mick Coady: Danger question yeah we we.
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Mick Coady: we've given a fair amount of thought in current against conversation we don't have anything I can't say well you know we're going to do X, Y and Z we're not that far along in the process this sounds like it.
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Mick Coady: I think it might be useful for maybe this to be an agenda.
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Mick Coady: Item for next month or sometime very soon we're going to have to start addressing this and come up with a plan.
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Mick Coady: You know my simple mind was thinking just you know, like like I mentioned earlier.
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Mick Coady: Who the owners of those files were what the ages were some of that is already in in is you can extract from joey's reports.
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Irfan Elahi: Sorry go ahead.
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Irfan Elahi: So we should not just look at printed report but also look at providing some tools that users can in real time, look at what they want, anyway, it needs to be discussed with said and CSD I think it's a really good idea to put it as part of the next meetings agenda.
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Mick Coady: Okay, great.
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Mick Coady: i've had the same conversations with said about this, and in my mind it would almost have to be goofy based right, I mean we we've put a lot of effort into standing up goofy a couple years ago the reports that Sid was generating each week for HP SS for all goofy based so.
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Mick Coady: We have a trip, we know how to we know how to do this, and he also we also have some tools some functions for doing real time queries that we.
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Mick Coady: That we can publicize better perhaps.
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Mick Coady: Maybe make a little more user friendly.
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Irfan Elahi: yeah and i'm also thinking efficient maybe call it to us, I, I think the name makes it sound silly that tool but.
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Irfan Elahi: Los Alamos and other places and it's.
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Irfan Elahi: it's a pretty decent tool so.
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Mick Coady: yeah yeah yeah, I think, for those of you and see Paul asked a question it stands.
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Mick Coady: i'm pretty sure the acronym stands for brand unified file index, and it was, I think it came out of Los Alamos and.
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Mick Coady: Chris oh.
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Mick Coady: drawing a blank on his last name, he he put put this together with for sizzle within HP CD a couple years ago and we've been running with that ever since so.
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Mick Coady: yeah so there's clearly a communication component of this to write to let users know that it's there and then we can follow that up with how to use it right get feedback for maybe a good way to get next month's next meetings conversation going is for said.
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Mick Coady: recap or review the tools, the functions that are out there and how to use them.
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Irfan Elahi: Now I have a dress that before the next meeting.
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Irfan Elahi: You can schedule a meeting with your team, especially said joy bill and me like to kind of discuss some of the constraints that we when we meet next month for district advisory group, we have answers, and not just sharing information, but also some plan.
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Irfan Elahi: and decisions.
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Mick Coady: Okay okay yeah that.
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Mick Coady: will do.
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Davide Del Vento: Well, I wanna I want to mention that at some very basic things using goofy data you don't need to use goofy itself because we store those files in some directories that I think each one of you should have access for their own.
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Davide Del Vento: Maybe after this meeting, I could check it out and send any other attendees and see you know the did a CEO you know poke around and see.
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Davide Del Vento: You know, so the busy could be just parse that file a text file, that is, one weekly I believe and see that that means.
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Davide Del Vento: That is, you know, to answer paul's question, there will be, you know in this approach, you will be your own your own, but you have all the data, so you may have read a cron job that runs weekly and and parses just a text file which isn't huge.
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Davide Del Vento: And it has some basic information i'm doing what you're doing, then what you do with that data, you know.
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Davide Del Vento: Maybe you're ready can, or maybe you need more and then then to do the more could be that we create a more extensive X file, or you need to interact directly with it to like.
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Davide Del Vento: You know refund was already speculating and probably that's the case but uh you know add the easiest to buy a watch I always like you know, try to easier, you know, like a baby step before you know jumping into the you know that marathon.
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Mick Coady: jumping into the deep end of the pool right.
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Mick Coady: All right.
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Mick Coady: Good thanks anything else.
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Mick Coady: wow good pretty much probably a record for time on one of these meetings.
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Mick Coady: I don't think anybody's going to complain it get a half hour so back in your day so with that i'll.
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Mick Coady: Say thanks again to everybody and we'll see you next month.
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Mick Coady: Thanks Gary all right take care, everybody.
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