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Mick Coady: Excuse me, as I said in the email I don't think this should meeting should take very long today cut a couple of updates and then.
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Mick Coady: for everybody and, hopefully, an opportunity for any.
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Mick Coady: Feedback or questions or concerns that are currently going on, we haven't really done one of those for a while, so uh yeah just going to go through kind of a brief recap, of the.
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Mick Coady: out each from a couple weeks ago now show you the new wiki page we've got for this for the storage advisors quick update on campaign storage augmentation an HP SS back evaluation and then turn it over to everybody for for any other comments.
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Mick Coady: So.
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Mick Coady: I will admit that sizzle was kind of it, particularly earth phones division we're pretty giddy with how.
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Mick Coady: pleased with how well the outage went we did have.
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Mick Coady: Unexpected one unexpected interruption to bringing systems back up as early as we had hoped for casper and gluten the ups systems when the one of the ups systems that up and cheyenne.
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Mick Coady: failed to come up cleanly one of the back end switches failed.
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Mick Coady: You know I think a lot of us were thinking well just pop in a new one, then we found out that the switches.
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Mick Coady: require forklift to move in and out so that was part of the delay well, in fact, it was almost 100% of the delay of getting casper glade and the rest of these systems that you see here back online.
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Mick Coady: You know, we had planned that those would be up by Wednesday they didn't come up till Friday midday sometime I think it was around 130.
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Mick Coady: In then, but on the good news.
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Mick Coady: We were able to get those up on Friday, and we were able to get shining in up.
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Mick Coady: substantially earlier than what we even optimistically thought we could so.
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Mick Coady: That included HP SS which I think I mentioned here, a couple times in these meetings that there was considerable nervousness within.
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Mick Coady: Within sizzle Bob though that old system coming up cleanly but it didn't miss a beat it came up and as cleanly as.
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Mick Coady: I guess, I would like, take this opportunity to ask this group was the amount of communications from sizzle to the user Community was it adequate, could you use more was it too much I kinda like here your this group's opinions on that.
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Garth D'Attilo: And it gets garth.
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Garth D'Attilo: I think the sizzle communications were great you know overarching issues with communication of Colocation spaces and.
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Garth D'Attilo: ups down times, and when you know my stuff will come back up in the Colocation space, we need to work on that, but that's outside the scope of kind of what you're doing, but I think the sizzle stuff went really well.
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Garth D'Attilo: You know the no real surprises there.
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Mick Coady: Okay well thanks.
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Mick Coady: I will admit that the like the notify as I was putting out in the evening in the daily bulletins there was a what I thought was a real like they becoming very repetitive, and I was thinking gosh of people even are they to the point of being boring, and people are ignoring them so.
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Mick Coady: So thanks for that feedback yeah Gary got your hand up.
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Gary Strand: No, I think everything went swimmingly well, I mean you got that note from Kim edwards and he's not an easy man to please so.
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Gary Strand: toggle you can also send out to him for me too much information about these kind of big down times the daily stuff is just perfect, but you know as things arise people I think our experience has been people really don't like it when they just don't know what's going on.
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Gary Strand: ever do need to say absolutely everything but the amount of information that you relate with was fun, thank you very much.
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Mick Coady: Thank you appreciate it yeah.
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Michael Galloy: yeah I would say as well that that htc resources that was communicated very well the issue, I had was, I guess, I did it slips my awareness until the kind of the last minute that it would affect the licensed servers.
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Mick Coady: As good good feedback and criticism and we'll try and improve on that going forward okay well.
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Michael Galloy: Where is my chat I can't find it there, we go okay.
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Mick Coady: Over communicating but at the same time, it was I was feeling a little self conscious, because things were going so well, but things were kind of boring from from our side, so anyway thanks for that everyone in the oh yeah i'm sorry, just so you can.
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Abby Jaye: I was kind of frustrated that like casper and Jupiter have weren't backup and like I was just frustrated because I was expecting it and i'm like I would feel I would feel like I have to push in this in my head.
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Abby Jaye: You know if you overestimate and then you put you know give it back early like happened with compute node so that was great, but like I didn't know if that was the case with the other stuff.
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Mick Coady: Really, this in this goal around for this out each Wednesday was really our best estimate, we were trying to be we weren't trying to build in too much padding or anything.
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Mick Coady: and, frankly, I was nervous that we weren't going to be able to get cheyenne back up on Monday, but then, when all of the power work electrical power work that happen, and there was a tremendous amount of.
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Mick Coady: F of work that got done in that week when everything came back up so smoothly.
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Mick Coady: We just started looking at account talking amongst ourselves, and looking at each other on Friday afternoon early evening said well let's just push through and get this done tonight, so that we can get the system back early and frank, quite frankly, we wouldn't have to work over the weekend.
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Mick Coady: Users could have their systems back so I don't know if that answered your question very if it addressed your concern I were you frustrated that the outage took longer than for casper and then, then we poked.
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Abby Jaye: It yeah yeah I mean I guess generally in general i'm frustrated that this work happened during the summer, which is the busiest time for tutorials that use the system.
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Abby Jaye: Like like it was kind of during I was working on the summer school and we were using the computers, the entire time and we it was kind of an off week but people still wanted to get work done and I was like well it's supposed to be a Wednesday.
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Abby Jaye: And then they couldn't do anything till Friday afternoon when most people aren't working anymore so.
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Mick Coady: I know a lot of people have already gone home dialed in you know packed it in for the week yeah.
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Mick Coady: Let me address real quick the the, the reason why it happened in the summer, what is that so much of the work was outside.
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Mick Coady: in large part for the reasons you just mentioned this, it would they were trying to be sensitive to all the work that was going on during the summer, but then what happened is a blizzard came through up in cheyenne and they had to postpone it until the next spring or summer so.
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Mick Coady: If you ever run into Michael Culture who heads up the one of the facility groups in up in cheyenne you can congratulate him, he just did a an amazing job of coordinating everything.
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Abby Jaye: yeah and I do understand that and I trust me, I understand the weather, I grew up in cheyenne.
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Abby Jaye: um, I guess, because even like we found out that this was happening in the summer, like maybe a month or two ahead of time.
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Abby Jaye: And then it wasn't until then that I could be like Oh well, we have all this stuff going on and you're and you said you could only move it like a few weeks, either way unless i've been in planning for months and months and months i'm like.
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Abby Jaye: Like I feel like there's still not enough communication with users like far enough ahead of time like I need to be more ahead of time.
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Mick Coady: We were holding off until we had more firm dates and again this this all kind of rolls back to all these external contractors that had to be.
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Abby Jaye: But yeah but were you were even trying to sell our you know summer schools and tutorials and people are signing up in like six nine months ahead of time.
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Abby Jaye: And we're telling them that we have all these resources available and if they're not actually going to be available, that would be important to now.
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Mick Coady: We got bit yesterday, the CSM tutorial is going on this week and i'm sure, a lot of you may or some people, you know got bit with the problem with PBS yesterday on cheyenne and it basically brought that tutorial to its knees for about three or four hours so.
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Mick Coady: That was.
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Mick Coady: The yeah site parks sizzles site barks program got a little bit with this to it put a dent in progress, they could make.
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Garth D'Attilo: Add on to what abby was saying this, you know it's really hard to schedule these things, the summertime though i'm right is just.
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Garth D'Attilo: Yes, yeah yeah, especially for some of these kids that are really pushing to do their first huge research project ever.
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Garth D'Attilo: You know, definitely want to make sure we emphasize the impacts are.
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Garth D'Attilo: are now available for for many, many an organization.
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Mick Coady: got it.
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Mick Coady: The if there's any bright spot, this should be the last one of these kind of go through for a while.
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Mick Coady: i'll just facetiously saying until next summer right in the middle of everything, no I if we could have avoided it, we would have and.
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Mick Coady: Trust me that are fun.
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Mick Coady: holds our feet, to the fire to get things back as quickly as we can for folks so and to minimize the amount of outages and downtime.
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Mick Coady: But I really appreciate the feedback, though.
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Mick Coady: good to have and i'll promise do try and do a better job of.
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Mick Coady: very early warning early mornings from Peter on okay.
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Mick Coady: All right, so in this isn't and if you guys if you if you have any other feedback that you think of later shoot me an email or some sort of messaging.
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Mick Coady: wrote this or mentioned this, for the first time last month, about the wiki I was putting together it's all been done in considered today it's unveiling let me go to that right now show you just real quickly what it looks like.
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Mick Coady: There is okay.
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Mick Coady: The.
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Mick Coady: This is the homepage for it, and my my thing, my thoughts are here is that this is where i'll keep.
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Mick Coady: Talk about ask you about this here in a minute the maybe as a forum or platform for discussions right, you know questions or problems that you're having, as opposed to.
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Mick Coady: shoot me an email or filing a ticket with sizzle help or something like that, if it's more stuff that's central to the storage advisors group in our Charter here than I kind of like to have maybe a blog or just a.
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Mick Coady: A page where we could share an exchange or pages, where we could exchange that those kinds of things that's coming that isn't here yet so right now, what is here is I have as.
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Mick Coady: This isn't this is going back, about a year of our meetings.
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Mick Coady: For some reason or another, and maybe you guys can help me remember i'm missing everything between February and June.
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Mick Coady: I know we I canceled one meeting in in that period, but i'm.
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Mick Coady: baffled why I can't find anything more.
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Mick Coady: If you have better memory than I do, then please let me know.
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Mick Coady: And i'll insert that in here, but each of these links here point to previous meetings.
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Mick Coady: We can see your for our last meeting here was our agenda.
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Mick Coady: And then here are the slides in mine and this slides from from that meeting.
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Mick Coady: Because it was still under Google I don't have recordings of it, but for this meeting, which will be added to that table there'll be a link down here in somewhere on the meetings homepage that provides a link to the recordings both the audio.
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Mick Coady: text trans transcription and audio video as well.
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Mick Coady: So hopefully this will be useful in, as I said last time I wished, I thought to do this month you a couple of years ago, I think this would add a little bit more value and then I also have a link here to to all of us who participate in these meetings so.
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Mick Coady: If you have any feedback or thoughts or suggestions on what we could add to this i'm wide open for that I don't claim to be a wiki expert.
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Matthias Rempel: Project fight, which is more the stuff i'm we're actively working on that wouldn't be the biggest disaster if I accidentally write something over i'm not sure if there's a better way to streamline that, but this is right, no I how I approach it for myself.
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Garth D'Attilo: You know what I think with the available tools, like our model output goes into the RTA so that's sort of our backup and we're trading campaign storage, but it serves as a backup.
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Garth D'Attilo: That can't be replaced make sure it's on quasar make sure it's in dash make sure it's somewhere, but it's more of a user education issue, I think we have a lot of resources for what you're describing to prevent the last.
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Mick Coady: platforms that are available for the like dashing I mean it feels like we have, but if there's always room for improvement right.
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Garth D'Attilo: These are the resources we have for storage be aware of these limitations, be careful, because this will open up again that first read right ability from.
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Mick Coady: There they're part of the whole NWS see three package includes a test system its name will be gust J ust and it was actually the original timeline called for it to have been delivered last week it's also delayed for the same reasons to Rachel itself will be delayed.
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Matthias Rempel: questions regarding asd um I mean the original deadline for submitting the main proposal, I think, was September 10 but they still haven't heard back about the step one proposals which was promised early in August I mean.
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Matthias Rempel: Are we getting here very short notice, one week before the deadline is whether we should submit it for proposal or not, or is there any plan that these to accommodate a moderate deadline shift to make up for not hearing yet about the step once.
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Sidd: I think we will have to get back to you Matthew as on this, as you know, this is the big people who are making this decision, but this is a perfectly valid question we'll we'll get back to.
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Mick Coady: You that's a great question does it.
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Mick Coady: I maybe Sid and I have kind of.
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Mick Coady: hinted at this, but there is a fair amount of uncertainty on at our level to about how things are going to.
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Mick Coady: proceed from going forward in the short term, but will we will will not, we will try, we will do our best to get back to you with a good answer for that.
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Sidd: But for the timing you assume that the time scale remains exactly identical the deadline for submitting the full proposal.
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Sidd: Basically, what will happen once we not you probably they will make it faster to get this short little painting short term.
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Sidd: result of that out soon.
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Mick Coady: garth.
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Garth D'Attilo: yeah so I was thinking along the lines of what's going to happen to project space data, the old slash P, as we go forward and the evacuation process right because that's going to disappear and be essentially replaced by campaign.
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Garth D'Attilo: So wonder if we want to start with that sort of movement to try to get people off of.
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Garth D'Attilo: Project space sooner than later, I know, we have more time because the ratio is there, but I don't know, maybe I missed I didn't see anything saying hey everybody.
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Garth D'Attilo: Project space is going to disappear, you should probably think about moving this to campaign storage before this date, which of course is often the future, however, those dates come quickly and there's quite a significant amount of data and the project space as a whole.
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Mick Coady: very good point.
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Mick Coady: And I will agree with you, we haven't.
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Mick Coady: publicized that or you know.
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Mick Coady: really push that message out about Li P going away.
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Sidd: I did December 31 2022 so that's.
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Garth D'Attilo: You have some time it's one of those things but.
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Garth D'Attilo: If.
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Garth D'Attilo: You go with HP SS evacuation and the you know, obviously, that at different speeds sort of things, but you know.
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Garth D'Attilo: People will want to have it, maybe operational and the new system, and if they already have it on campaign storage then it'll be read right because i'm sure project will go read only you know, so you know, at some point.
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Garth D'Attilo: So you want to you know just just as as we were talking about the.
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Garth D'Attilo: hdfs that that sprung up, so I was just going to check with what the plan was or.
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Garth D'Attilo: If we need to make one.
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Mick Coady: I would say it's probably more the ladder that there needs to be a little bit more finer.
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Mick Coady: We need to put more detail on what plans we have right now it's pretty like you just said it's.
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Mick Coady: it's going away about this, around this time frame plan to move your data over that you need to keep it but.
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Mick Coady: nothing more than that, at this point, but.
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Mick Coady: And that'll be a good that'd be a good thing to bring up with.
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Mick Coady: Internally right make sure we've got our ducks in a row, before we start putting out.
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Mick Coady: suggestions are again there there again we I think we could cause some we weren't careful with our message you can we could cost quite a bit of panic right.
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Garth D'Attilo: it's a window, because the panic really you just have to choose when.
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Garth D'Attilo: it's your choice.
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Mick Coady: yeah like the like the Paleo week before October 1 for each pizza yeah.
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Garth D'Attilo: I can do that probably not as bad, but yeah.
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Mick Coady: Okay.
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Mick Coady: yeah yeah Gary.
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Gary Strand: One thing is.
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Gary Strand: I know the CSM relies heavily on stuff under glee P for the you know core model data sets and input data sets and things like that, and it can't go away as long as cheyenne is around.
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Gary Strand: right because cheyenne can't see campaign store, so we can you know we can't move everything offline Peter campaign storage and still be able to use cheyenne the way we've been using it so play P can't go away any earlier than cheyenne goes away at least from the CSM perspective.
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Gary Strand: I haven't really break things badly.
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Gary Strand: I mean it's what will you know, eventually, it becomes a moot point because direction will be able to see campaign storage less of an issue but.
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Gary Strand: Until that time.
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Mick Coady: yeah there's a lot undergoing beat you like the whole encourage data sharing service.
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Mick Coady: isn't as well right so.
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Mick Coady: I i'm I feel pretty confident that the things will happen in a.
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Mick Coady: In a logical and acceptable, you know set of steps and hopefully not squeeze people too much, but I think it's pretty safe to say.
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Mick Coady: That sizzle has no plans to copy the data for users, that that'll be on on project project leads or users themselves to move data off of glade P to campaign storage as as they see fit, or necessary yeah and then another point you made Gary that.
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Mick Coady: game you thought was.
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Mick Coady: I think this was i'm pretty sure we communicated this is that we are working with HP to extend the maintenance on.
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Mick Coady: cheyenne.
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Mick Coady: To make sure that we're covered through this new gap time gap that got created with the delay.
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Sidd: And also, on the other point getting men there's no way, we will shut off great team before shine is yeah yeah.
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Mick Coady: You know that that that definitely won't pass so i'd say there's you know, again I don't want to create concern or alarm or anything but I think there's a.
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Mick Coady: Greater chance that you know because of the age of glade be that something could happen that way, rather than sizzles shutting it all, and I, but glade has been pretty rock solid, since it first came online and the fact that it came up so smoothly.
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Mick Coady: And without any issues at all after the outage was pretty reassuring for most of us so yeah Mathias.
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Matthias Rempel: I just since you brought up the data sharing service can be nasza data straight from campaign or doesn't stay have to recite on play P, for doing that.
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Mick Coady: uh no you don't have to it's that the the glade P data share is a mount point and Globus so that helps.
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Mick Coady: there's a lot of users, take advantage of that every day.
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Matthias Rempel: The impression that it was possible to set straight data which I have sitting on campaign can you create a global standpoint from that or do we have to first move it, I mean the pastor always moved about hands impression works now but I couldn't find any better.
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Matthias Rempel: documentation, it says that actually does work.
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Mick Coady: So do you want to take that.
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Sidd: yeah at this point, we do not have that option.
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Sidd: The.
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Matthias Rempel: Okay.
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Sidd: yeah maybe.
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Matthias Rempel: Maybe.
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Matthias Rempel: Maybe it ma ch your own project space that I can share it from the I didn't have to move it to Z and data share partition is that possible, because I recently did something which I didn't share from the data share that seemed to work, no i'm not sure exactly what I did myself but.
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Sidd: That should not be the case, because this is a security this thing right with the data in data share can be shared, using a global standpoint any way if it is a shared with anonymous user.
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Sidd: Anybody with the global account should be able to access the content under data share but okay.
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Sidd: Be or campaigns to it that won't be the case.
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Matthias Rempel: Then I have to check mother actually did I thought I shared it from somewhere else, but maybe I did yeah.
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Mick Coady: The tss that's that's another good X 94 because.
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Mick Coady: I seem to recall that i've helped some users in the past with.
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Mick Coady: sharing data directly off the campaign storage, but I the ultra sit on this to say that we can't.
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Mick Coady: I think we need to get back with you, with a definitive answer on that.
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Mick Coady: you're.
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Gary Strand: have anything.
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Mick Coady: yeah girth.
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Garth D'Attilo: Apparently, I found that button sorry.
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Garth D'Attilo: They shouldn't have let me use that right they.
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Mick Coady: can get better that's done.
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Garth D'Attilo: Well, and that brought up this sort of this Globus five idea of sharing without having to use Globus endpoints so i'm hoping that still somewhere in a roadmap, even though I know Globus five has been beta for.
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Garth D'Attilo: Since we started meeting.
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Garth D'Attilo: that's how these things happen.
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Garth D'Attilo: That is there okay.
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Sidd: yeah once it is there, you can do that, but that means you have to be careful there right and you don't want to expose everything.
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Garth D'Attilo: yeah be nice if it can be done in a very incremental and.
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Sidd: directory, you know, like.
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Garth D'Attilo: controlled way exactly and other question I had was a will glade pb readable from the ratio directly all will all of the glade resources beyond the ratio too.
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Garth D'Attilo: Because it's gonna get really confusing really fast and i'm just gonna you know, maybe make some helpful recommendations to my staff to be like hey you know if you want to be ready, you know you can think about doing these things, but I just wondered if that was going to be the case.
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Mick Coady: As far as I know, the what the plan is for.
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Mick Coady: All of blade to be accessible.
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Mick Coady: Rachel for as long as.
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Mick Coady: For as long as it exists.
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Garth D'Attilo: Yes, I will once things are gone all bets are off.
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Mick Coady: yeah okay.
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Garth D'Attilo: Thank you.
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Mick Coady: yeah I think that's an absolute requirement.
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Mick Coady: Okay anything else good.
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Mick Coady: Great round.
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Mick Coady: discussion here I frankly I didn't expect this kind of.
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Mick Coady: liveliness out of the group so thanks for that.
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Mick Coady: By the way, how's the Air Quality down there today in boulder in the area.
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Matthias Rempel: and bad.
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Matthias Rempel: days, but now get great.
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Mick Coady: yeah it couldn't get much worse than it was on Saturday yeah.
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i've been trying.
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Mick Coady: yeah I ventured into boulder.
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Matthias Rempel: Each system running to her and hopefully figure something out.
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Mick Coady: That just so happened that Saturday, there was an iron man in boulder and I felt bad for for those athletes.
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Mick Coady: So okay.
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Mick Coady: yeah yeah that.
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Mick Coady: it's kind of it looks better up here, you know, like we're about 8200 feet, it looks better, but if you can still see.
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Mick Coady: it's not we're not out of the woods no pun intended yet.
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Mick Coady: So I guess one more opportunity for folks to speak up or ask some questions and.
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Mick Coady: If not, then let you go and we'll end it right at about an hour meeting so pretty good, I think.
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Mick Coady: And yeah Gary.
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Mick Coady: he's happy to go he's happy he can.
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Mick Coady: Go good okay well thanks everybody look for an email from me in the next hopefully 2448 hours with.
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Mick Coady: A link to the wiki for this meeting and.
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Mick Coady: As always, what let me know or said, obviously, if you have any questions or anything you wants to follow up with so appreciate everybody showing up and in your time thing was pretty good me so take care.
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Kay Sandoval: Everybody.
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Garth D'Attilo: Thank you.